[LTER-im] Fwd: Re: Publisher location requested for data set DOI
Margaret O'Brien
margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu
Thu Jan 19 14:04:32 PST 2017
resending. first msg seems to have wanted to go to im-at-lists, which is
defunct.
M
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [LTER-im] Publisher location requested for data set DOI
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 11:37:02 -0800
From: Margaret O'Brien <margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu>
To: im at lists.lternet.edu
Hi Wade, Hap, et al -
1. Re citation XSL:
It looks to me like the current LTER template is using the
creator/organizationName element in the citation's publisher, but Duane
will have to confirm.
EDI has added this to it's list of tasks already. Most likely, the
solution will be something like the below.
authors (before the pub date) are from these paths, in document order:
/eml:eml/dataset/creator/individualName
date:
/eml:eml/dataset/pubDate
*** this could be year-only, currently, LTER uses the entire contents of
the field.
title:
/eml:eml/dataset/title
publisher:
publisher/organizationName
*** a string could be appended (e.g., a repository name) but this needs
to be discussed. right now, it appears that "; Long Term Ecological
Research Network" is appended.
*** the <publisher> element is optional, so logic to use the repository
name in its absence might be appropriate.
DOI:
[system metadata]
2. Re requirements from publisher on dataset citations:
I have not seen that from Elsevier yet (they are the publisher for ESA
journals, correct?)
The pressure to adopt a std could come from repositories or authors, but
in reality, journals will probably still request whatever they want from
authors. And unless data repositories are directly funded by publishers,
they will probably not feel that they have to cover every possible
format. You should know that other paper-data alignment topics have
already popped up, e.g., intellectual right statements for data that are
consistent with publisher's policies.
I agree that "publication place" isn't particularly informative for a
purely digital resource. It might be worth the scientist asking the
journal what info they really were after. Possibly, they really want to
know about the data's originating org - e.g. a physical LTER site,
which does have a physical location -- but they are simply conflating
that with "publication" since sometimes a data posting is a local URL,
not via a repository.
Margaret
-----------
Margaret O'Brien
Information Management
Marine Science Institute, UCSB
Santa Barbara, CA 93106
805-893-2071 (voice)
http://environmentaldatainitiative.org
http://sbc.marinebon.org
http://sbc.lternet.edu
On 1/18/17 9:27 AM, Wade Sheldon wrote:
> Hap,
>
> In this implementation (which is certainly valid), the
> organizationName is essentially additional info for Linda's creator
> element, like adding a position descriptor. We include a dedicated
> creator element just for the project, which provides a more prominent
> project attribution in external catalogs like KNB and DataONE.
>
> Wade
>
>
>
>
> On 1/18/2017 12:19 PM, Hap Garritt wrote:
>> Hi Gastil, Wade and Mark
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback, below is our EML snippet which I thought
>> the Data Portal would have picked up. We have organization name under
>> both creator and metadata provider.
>>
>> Mark, it would be great to know which other tags you are pulling
>> organization name from for the citation. Perhaps there is also
>> something in error in the snippet below?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Hap
>>
>>
>> <creator id="pers-1">
>> <organizationName>Plum Island Ecosystems LTER Program</organizationName>
>> <individualName>
>> <givenName>Linda</givenName>
>> <surName>Deegan</surName>
>> </individualName>
>> <address>
>> <deliveryPoint>Ecosystems Center</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>MBL</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>7 MBL St</deliveryPoint>
>> <city>Woods Hole</city>
>> <administrativeArea>MA</administrativeArea>
>> <postalCode>02543</postalCode>
>> <country>USA</country>
>> </address>
>> </creator>
>> <metadataProvider>
>> <organizationName>Plum Island Ecosystems LTER Program</organizationName>
>> <address>
>> <deliveryPoint>The Ecosystems Center</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>Marine Biological Lab</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>7 MBL St</deliveryPoint>
>> <city>Woods Hole</city>
>> <administrativeArea>MA</administrativeArea>
>> <postalCode>02543</postalCode>
>> <country>USA</country>
>> </address>
>> <phone phonetype="voice">(508) 289 7485</phone>
>> <electronicMailAddress>pie_im at mbl.edu</electronicMailAddress>
>> <onlineUrl>http://pie-lter.ecosystems.mbl.edu</onlineUrl>
>> </metadataProvider>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From: *"Gastil Gastil-Buhl" <gastil.gastil-buhl at ucsb.edu>
>> *To: *"Hap Garritt" <hgarritt at mbl.edu>
>> *Cc: *"Wade Sheldon" <sheldon at uga.edu>, "LTER IM" <im at lternet.edu>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:30:05 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [LTER-im] Publisher location requested for data set DOI
>>
>> Hi Hap,
>>
>> We put the organization as the first of the creators along with the
>> people creators (aka authors/owners). There are two kinds of
>> creators, organizationName and individualName. The xslt that forms
>> the HowToCite differentiates between individuals and organizations.
>> See EML snippet below.
>>
>> Gastil
>>
>> <creator id="MCR">
>> <organizationName>Moorea Coral Reef LTER</organizationName>
>> <address>
>> <deliveryPoint>Marine Science Institute</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>University of California</deliveryPoint>
>> <city>Santa Barbara</city>
>> <administrativeArea>CA</administrativeArea>
>> <postalCode>93106-6150</postalCode>
>> <country>USA</country>
>> </address>
>> <onlineUrl>http://mcr.lternet.edu/</onlineUrl>
>> </creator>
>> <creator id="abrooks">
>> <individualName>
>> <givenName>Andrew</givenName>
>> <surName>Brooks</surName>
>> </individualName>
>> <organizationName>Moorea Coral Reef LTER</organizationName>
>> <positionName>Associated Investigator</positionName>
>> <address>
>> <deliveryPoint>Marine Science Institute</deliveryPoint>
>> <deliveryPoint>University of California</deliveryPoint>
>> <city>Santa Barbara</city>
>> <administrativeArea>CA</administrativeArea>
>> <postalCode>93106-6150</postalCode>
>> <country>USA</country>
>> </address>
>> <phone phonetype="voice">805.893.7670</phone>
>> <phone phonetype="fax">805.893.3777</phone>
>> <electronicMailAddress>brooks at msi.ucsb.edu
>> <mailto:brooks at msi.ucsb.edu></electronicMailAddress>
>> </creator>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:10 AM, Hap Garritt <hgarritt at mbl.edu
>> <mailto:hgarritt at mbl.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Wade et al.
>>
>> We have not experienced a publisher location request for any PIE
>> LTER data citations, certainly doesn't seem necessary when a DOI is
>> included.
>>
>> On another note, I noticed that GCE and a few other LTER sites,
>> AND, SBC and MCR have managed to get their LTER site name included in
>> the Data Portal "How to cite this data package". What did you all do
>> to your EML to get the citation to include your site or did you have
>> to make a request to Mark/Duane to include it.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Hap
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *"Wade Sheldon" <sheldon at uga.edu <mailto:sheldon at uga.edu>>
>> *To: *"LTER IM" <im at lternet.edu <mailto:im at lternet.edu>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:59:17 AM
>> *Subject: *[LTER-im] Publisher location requested for data set DOI
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> A GCE PI encountered the following issue when citing a data set
>> in an ESA journal submission using the recommended LTER Data Portal
>> citation format. Has anyone experienced this before? Publisher
>> location seems irrelevant for a digital asset and defeats the purpose
>> of a DOI, so my inclination is to push back and ask the publisher to
>> justify this request. I suspect it's just about filling in a field in
>> their citation system.
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>>
>> Wade Sheldon
>> GCE-LTER
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: how to cite GCE data sets
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:46:36 -0600
>> From: Pennings, Steven C <scpennin at Central.UH.EDU
>> <mailto:scpennin at Central.UH.EDU>>
>> To: 'Wade Sheldon' <sheldon at uga.edu
>> <mailto:sheldon at uga.edu>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Wade,
>> I cited a GCE data set as recommended
>>
>> Li, S. 2016. Experimental wrack disturbance at four
>>
>> times during the growing season. Georgia Coastal
>>
>> Ecosystems LTER Project, Long Term Ecological
>>
>> Research Network, University of Houston, ?????.
>>
>> https://doi.org/10.6073/pasta/0efb520e3772f0b97b560
>>
>> 325853ebf32
>>
>> And the journal asked for "publisher location" where the question
>> marks are located. Should this be "Athens, Georgia, USA"?
>>
>> Also, if this becomes a common request (in this case from a
>> journal of the Ecological Society of America") then I wonder if it
>> would make sense to change our standard citation format that we provide.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Steve Pennings
>> John and Rebecca Moores Professor
>> Department of Biology and Biochemistry
>> University of Houston
>> Houston TX 77204
>> www.bchs.uh.edu/~steve <http://www.bchs.uh.edu/%7Esteve>
>> <http://www.bchs.uh.edu/%7Esteve>
>> http://penningslab.wordpress.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Long Term Ecological Research Network
>> im mailing list
>> im at lternet.edu <mailto:im at lternet.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Hap Garritt
>> Plum Island Ecosystems (PIE) LTER
>> Marine Biological Lab, Ecosystems Center
>> 7 MBL Street
>> Woods Hole, MA 02543
>> 508-289-7485 <tel:%28508%29%20289-7485>
>> hgarritt at mbl.edu <mailto:hgarritt at mbl.edu>
>> http://ecosystems.mbl.edu
>> http://pie-lter.ecosystems.mbl.edu
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Long Term Ecological Research Network
>> im mailing list
>> im at lternet.edu <mailto:im at lternet.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hap Garritt
>> Plum Island Ecosystems (PIE) LTER
>> Marine Biological Lab, Ecosystems Center
>> 7 MBL Street
>> Woods Hole, MA 02543
>> 508-289-7485
>> hgarritt at mbl.edu
>> http://ecosystems.mbl.edu
>> http://pie-lter.ecosystems.mbl.edu
>>
>
More information about the im
mailing list