[LTER-mcm-pi] Fwd: RE: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

[Priscu, John]

I get a bad vibe  too-very pushy and in your face

On Mar 9, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>> wrote:

We can talk about this, but in this case it was Rachael as a free agent providing samples. Not LTER.

I wrote this guy back. He gives me a really bad vibe. Very boastful and quick to criticize everyone in his field, including my new junior colleague. The whole thing with his student is weird. I'll put him on hold for now and we can discuss next week. Looks like now they want to write a separate proposal to PLR

Peter Doran, Professor and John Franks Chair
Department of Geology and Geophysics
E235 Howe Russell Geosciences Complex
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA 70803

Ph: 225-578-3955<tel:225-578-3955>
Fx: 225-578-2302<tel:225-578-2302>

http://geology.lsu.edu/People/Faculty/item73533.html

On Mar 9, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>> wrote:

We need some kind of policy about handing out samples- or at least a way to track things. I remember addressing this issue in the past- if so, we should revisit it.

On Mar 9, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>> wrote:

Yeah, this is it. This is his student

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        RE: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell
Date:   Fri, 6 Nov 2015 19:25:58 +0000
From:   Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu><mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>
To:     Rachael Morgan-Kiss <morganr2 at miamioh.edu><mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu>, Michael Gooseff <michael.gooseff at colorado.edu><mailto:michael.gooseff at colorado.edu>
CC:     Gooseff, Michael <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu><mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>, Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu><mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>, Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu><mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>


I told her (and her mentor; Dr Huang) that we will discuss this as a group in March and get back to her.

From: Rachael Morgan-Kiss [mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 10:47 AM
To: Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu><mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>; Michael Gooseff <michael.gooseff at colorado.edu><mailto:michael.gooseff at colorado.edu>
Cc: Gooseff, Michael <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu><mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>; Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu><mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>; Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu><mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>
Subject: RE: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

I was also thinking that because of the logistical efforts, this kind of sample collection could be coordinated with other research questions.

Rachael Morgan-Kiss
Associate Professor of Microbial Ecology
700 E High St.
Department of Microbiology
Miami University
Oxford OH
Phone: 513-529-5434

From: Priscu, John [mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:00 PM
To: Michael Gooseff <michael.gooseff at colorado.edu<mailto:michael.gooseff at colorado.edu>>; Rachael Morgan-Kiss <morganr2 at miamioh.edu<mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu>>
Cc: Gooseff, Michael <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>>; Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>>; Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>>
Subject: RE: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

Mike—if funded and we decide to support this field effort, it will take a lot of our time to get all of the permits, SIP requests, etc. As you will note in my response to Huang (which I forwarded a few minutes ago); they have no real hypothesis for us to consider. Just a bunch of measurements around ,in my opinion, a jumbled theme.

John

From: Michael Gooseff [mailto:michael.gooseff at colorado.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 12:48 AM
To: Rachael Morgan-Kiss <morganr2 at miamioh.edu<mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu>>; Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>>
Cc: Gooseff, Michael <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>>; Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>>; Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>>
Subject: Re: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

Greetings from McMurdo!
Chris Fritsen got here a day ahead of us and it looks like Kelly is bringing down the NSB on Sunday.  So, we’ll make sure to make everyone look good!

The proposal she submitted was a GRFP, and it just went in this last month.  So, it will be a while until she hears whether it’s funded.
It takes serious cajones, in my opinion, to write that proposal with no access to the field site.  I presume this will be a significant stumbling block to getting this funded – as Rachael points out, without a letter of support.

So, how do we handle this?
I think John is right, this is an ancillary project that is pretty significant.  All of our students have dual roles down here – they have to do a set of things to keep the monitoring programs going and then they work in their science.  If she came down, she would have to be on the limno team and provide that support.  But, this seems like a lot of additional work to try to add in if she’s also on the limno team…  I think it’s a reasonable response that you sent to her, John.  I don’t know how this will shake out in our discussions in March, but if she doesn’t get her GRFP funded and we don’t give her a slot, April will be the deadline for her and her advisor to submit their own full blown proposal.  I think we need to make a judgement about whether this is mission creep or not.  If it can be linked to our MCM4 hypotheses, then it’s justifiable to bring her down and do this work.  If not, then we’re taking the place of NSF by facilitating her research and that’s not a position we want to be in, particularly with the level of scrutiny that’s likely to be associated with the proposed work.

Cheers
Mike

From: Rachael Morgan-Kiss <morganr2 at miamioh.edu<mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu>>
Date: Friday, November 6, 2015 at 1:15 PM
To: "Priscu, John" <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>>
Cc: "Gooseff, Michael" <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>>, Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>>, Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>>
Subject: Re: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

I'm surprised she didn't need at letter of support.

From
Rachael Kiss

On Nov 5, 2015, at 6:31 PM, "Priscu, John" <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>> wrote:
Sounds like she submitted a full proposal based on a lot of field work. We need to discuss next March.

From: Rachael Morgan-Kiss [mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 2:24 PM
To: Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>>; Gooseff, Michael <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>>; Berry Lyons <lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>>; Peter Doran <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>>
Subject: RE: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

Hi John,

I sent Nora some samples from Lake Fryxell as well as an Isochrysis that we isolated from  Lake Bonney recently. She hasn’t mentioned to me that she had an interest in field work.

Cheers

Rachael.

Rachael Morgan-Kiss
Associate Professor of Microbial Ecology
700 E High St.
Department of Microbiology
Miami University
Oxford OH
Phone: 513-529-5434

From: Priscu, John [mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 3:21 PM
To: Gooseff, Michael (mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>) <mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu<mailto:mgooseff at engr.colostate.edu>>; Berry Lyons (lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>) <lyons.142 at osu.edu<mailto:lyons.142 at osu.edu>>; Rachael Morgan-Kiss <morganr2 at miamioh.edu<mailto:morganr2 at miamioh.edu>>; Peter Doran (pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>) <pdoran at lsu.edu<mailto:pdoran at lsu.edu>>
Subject: FW: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

FYI. These folks really want to get to the field. Her proposal says that they will collaborate with me and other colleagues to collect samples from Fryxell. I never said that I would do this and anyone I take has to be involved with all limno runs and sample analysis in McMurdo. Note that their proposed work will require a transect of sediment cores and water samples through Fryxell. This will require environmental paperwork showing that the cores will be collected cleanly, request for a corer, and meter resolution collection of water samples at each site (note that we only get a freshwater lens below the ice when there is streamflow—most of the time the ionic strength is greater just below the ice due to freeze segregation.

Berry—seems like some of the isotope mixing data have been done previously.

Rachael, have you promised her field time?

I certainly cannot give up a slot on the limno team to accommodate this work.

I will respond to her and let her know that we will discuss this at our spring meeting.

Comments?

John

From: Richter, Nora [mailto:nora_richter at brown.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:17 AM
To: Priscu, John <jpriscu at montana.edu<mailto:jpriscu at montana.edu>>
Subject: Nora Richter - Lake Fryxell

Dear Professor John Priscu,

My name is Nora Richter, I am a first year graduate student in the Brown-MBL program and I am being co-advised by Yongsong Huang and Linda Amaral-Zettler for my thesis. Yongsong mentioned that he contacted you this past month about possible fieldwork options in Antarctica, and potentially collaborating with you and your team during the 2016-2017 field season.

This year I intend to apply for travel funds to support my research at McMurdo, and I would also be willing to assist your research group in the 2016-2017 field season if I am able to go. James W. Head is also part of my advising committee and has done work at McMurdo in the past; he has agreed to assist me with any additional planning. I have also conducted field work in the past in Svalbard, Greenland, and the Swiss Alps (I attached a copy of my CV).

I recently applied for the NSF graduate student fellowship with my proposed project in Antarctica (see attached). Briefly, I intend to analyze haptophytes and alkenones from Lake Fryxell to assess species assemblages, alkenone production under extreme conditions, and use hydrogen and carbon isotopes to more accurately track changes in glacial melt. I am currently working on analyzing samples I received from Rachael Morgan-Kiss and Sarah Spaulding to better inform my project and hypotheses.

I hope you will consider collaborating with me on this project and I look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes,
Nora Richter


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Brown University - Marine Biological Laboratories
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