[LTER-im] Google Maps API to require credit card?

Tue May 15 12:25:45 PDT 2018

Hi;

At the IM meeting, John suggested that a debit card would be accepted.  I
got a pre-paid debit card and tried it out, but unfortunately, pre-pard
debits cards aren't accepted.

Leaflet sounds like a good solution.

Liz

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 3:06 AM, bohms <bohms at msu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Liz,
>
> Since we are just using it for a "we are here" page, I'm going to switch
> over to mapbox and leaflet, just to avoid any issues.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Sven Bohm -.- ..-. --
>
> On 14 May 2018, at 13:48, Gastil Gastil-Buhl wrote:
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> Our department does not have a solution yet. Other research groups besides
> LTER here also have google map apps.
>
> Has anyone yet found a workaround? I am sure we all care but we just are
> not going to pile on with the same "nothing yet here". Thus the silence, I
> am guessing.
>
> Gastil
>
> PS see you all at noon pacific. If we do not yet have a solution to the
> google maps credit card dilemma before ASM, that might be a topic?
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Elizabeth Dobbins <eldobbins at alaska.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi;
>>
>> Wanted to update everyone on what I've found out.  I was contacted by
>> T-Science but it never came to anything.  They want to deal with sites with
>> a lot of traffic, so I don't qualify.  I never even got as far as a sales
>> pitch!
>>
>> This thread has been very quiet, except for me.  Has anyone else looked
>> into it?  Does anyone's university care?  I'm finding from asking around
>> that no one knows about it.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Elizabeth Dobbins <eldobbins at alaska.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margaret;
>>>
>>> I got the sense talking to the Google sales person that it hadn't
>>> occurred to them that users might be in our situation. She stressed the
>>> $200 credit until I made it clear that a credit is irrelevant if we can't
>>> use the billing model.  They are thinking of individual (the $200 credit)
>>> or enterprise ($$ for them) users.  Even the fact that I use it on a web
>>> page as opposed to a mobile app blew her mind.
>>>
>>> It couldn't hurt to talk to them.  She was friendly and eager to help.
>>> I hope seeking info and giving them feedback will be helpful.  But they are
>>> so big, I worry the message can't get through.
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Margaret O'Brien <
>>> margaret.obrien at ucsb.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Liz, et al -
>>>> Well, we at SBC (at UCSB) are certainly affected! do you get feeling
>>>> that we should all voice our concerns independently?
>>>>
>>>> I am following up with our sys-admin here. He had not heard of it yet
>>>> -- but is already checking with folks at the campus level.
>>>>
>>>> Margaret
>>>>
>>>> Margaret O'Brien
>>>> ORCID: 0000-0002-1693-8322
>>>> Information Management
>>>> Marine Science Institute, UCSB
>>>> Santa Barbara, CA 93106
>>>> 805-893-2071 (voice)
>>>> http://environmentaldatainitiative.org
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__environmentaldatainitiative.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=c7vhM4vWnwn2YNj100OZPw&m=oMTaL_Nl-w3V8cL4tAIRAvaUqxuW4FGH5WuKLx2wfZg&s=7kzex72wiVRCsEYwAI1If9RmXbnjvPK6sxJp1lqFs1o&e=>
>>>> http://sbc.marinebon.org
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sbc.marinebon.org&d=DwMFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=c7vhM4vWnwn2YNj100OZPw&m=oMTaL_Nl-w3V8cL4tAIRAvaUqxuW4FGH5WuKLx2wfZg&s=t3DFfI0JejGi4JGTA2JNBpOEM3ePSRkKMgjIezSl2W4&e=>
>>>> http://sbc.lternet.edu
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sbc.lternet.edu&d=DwMFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=c7vhM4vWnwn2YNj100OZPw&m=oMTaL_Nl-w3V8cL4tAIRAvaUqxuW4FGH5WuKLx2wfZg&s=muiYyOl8_R9dmrsMwxJd7-73PoJt0tmi36_96bILFjo&e=>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Elizabeth Dobbins <eldobbins at alaska.edu
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi;
>>>>>
>>>>> I investigated this by clicking the "Contact Sales" button on the web
>>>>> page you mentioned.  I had a long discussion with a nice lady in Atlanta
>>>>> wherein I impressed upon her that 1) for 10 years, my use of Google Maps
>>>>> has been integral to the scientific research I do, and 2) the University is
>>>>> not set up for billing this way.  She mentioned that other products have an
>>>>> "edu model", but Maps doesn't because this is a new system.  She took my
>>>>> concerns to a meeting where they agreed that many people use Maps the way I
>>>>> do at universities.  She said they would consider including an edu
>>>>> exemption in the Maps pricing depending on how many other people contact
>>>>> them with concerns like mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, she has forwarded my case to a 3rd party resource - T
>>>>> Science?  They partner with Google to provide other billing options, but
>>>>> that's all I know so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else having experiences in this strange new world?
>>>>>
>>>>> Liz
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Elizabeth Dobbins <
>>>>> eldobbins at alaska.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is very distressing.  I've contacted Google to see what my
>>>>>> options are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 2:13 PM, Wade Sheldon <sheldon at uga.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those (probably most) of you employing Google Maps for your
>>>>>>> websites, I just received notice that the services are being consolidated
>>>>>>> under a "Google Maps Platform" and all use of the JavaScript API will
>>>>>>> require an API key linked to a credit card and billing account, which is a
>>>>>>> non-starter for us and I suspect most other institutions. There's $200 of
>>>>>>> free use and tools to set quotas to avoid going over, but we simply can't
>>>>>>> deal with CC billing at UGA for something like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the gist:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We would like to highlight a few updates that may impact your
>>>>>>> implementation. Beginning June 11th, we are launching our new pricing plan
>>>>>>> and providing all users access to support. We’ll continue to offer a free
>>>>>>> tier — all developers will receive $200 of free monthly usage of our core
>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *In addition, this change will require you to enable billing and
>>>>>>> associate it with all of your Google Maps Platform projects.* Creating a
>>>>>>> billing account helps us better understand your usage so we can continue
>>>>>>> developing helpful products. It also allows you to scale easily with less
>>>>>>> downtime and fewer performance issues if your product grows beyond the $200
>>>>>>> of free monthly usage. For additional visibility and control you can set
>>>>>>> daily quotas or billing alerts."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The guide for existing users (https://cloud.google.com/maps
>>>>>>> -platform/user-guide/
>>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__cloud.google.com_maps-2Dplatform_user-2Dguide_&d=DwMFaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=c7vhM4vWnwn2YNj100OZPw&m=oMTaL_Nl-w3V8cL4tAIRAvaUqxuW4FGH5WuKLx2wfZg&s=WY_VwY4iJMSSarUBCXEb6COLbv4r0UJ6b_l6OwkXzIg&e=>)
>>>>>>> indicates they are supposedly "expanding support for non-profits" so there
>>>>>>> are potentially work-arounds, at least at the institutional level, but not
>>>>>>> a hassle we really need just to keep our stuff running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of the high cost of using free stuff I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, let us know if anyone hears anything different on this
>>>>>>> topic, or finds a work-around, and we'll be researching the non-profit
>>>>>>> angle this month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wade Sheldon
>>>>>>> GCE-LTER
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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