[LTER-im-rep] Vote to move forward with IM data management exercise

Thu Jul 30 13:00:10 MDT 2015

Hello again,
I see your perspective now and I apologize again because I cannot see clearly the purpose of the vote... again, my bad for not being closely involved until now.
Has a draft of the model been developed already?
If I vote "NO", will I be voting against the model already in draft or against continuing with this endeavor?
I vote Yes to continue this exercise but abstain to vote for or against any model until we discuss about it thoroughly!
Sorry for being so difficult Phillip...is not against you or IMEXEC, my position is based on suffering for taking rash decisions in the past!
EDA Eda C. Melendez Colom
Information Manager
LTER Program
University of Puerto Rico
Tel. (787) 764-0000 (1-4943)
Fax (787) 772 -1481
      From: Philip Tarrant <philip.tarrant at asu.edu>
 To: Inigo San Gil <isangil at lternet.edu>; "im-rep at lists.lternet.edu" <im-rep at lists.lternet.edu> 
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [LTER-im-rep] Vote to move forward with IM data management exercise

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Director, Informatics and Technology | Senior Sustainability Scientist
Julie Ann Wrigley Global Institute of Sustainability | Arizona State University
  Sustainable data - use, preserve, re-use      

From: im-rep [mailto:im-rep-bounces at lists.lternet.edu]On Behalf Of Inigo San Gil
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:03 AM
To: im-rep at lists.lternet.edu
Subject: Re: [LTER-im-rep] Vote to move forward with IM data management exercise    
Hi,

I do not think I have enough time to revise the last additions to the work to vote confidently. 

As I remember the work, the way is presented has a main focus on continuity.  I would like to see a more exciting proposal that includes the opinions of the community we work for.  This is just a handful of us chiming some, and well, judging by what I hear, not so fresh ideas.

Therefore, I think asking for a vote is a bit premature.  We could get a better proposal out there, at least, we can get something out I can defend vehemently, as it is (or as I remember it), not so much. 

Can you push the vote down to the ASM or at least towards the 3rd week of August ?

Some more notes - please pay attention:

Also, I missed the 'last week VTC' - the bad practice of not announcing the date and time and links is really hurting my schedule.  I have many more things in my plate, like many of us. It is quite simple, and I told the group several times to include a date and a time and a link at least (it is simple metadata, EML not needed).

There is no mention that a majority "Yes" vote would also mean that you will tell Saran that we (IMs) are behind this proposed model, and pave forward to what would be the LNO Data Center for the next few years.  I think this should be noted in the list below.

There is no mention what a "No" vote would imply.  Encourage Saran to let a competitive process to ensue? Please elaborate.

By reading the reactions of my PIs to the PPTx and PDF that was circulated at EB, I can tell you my PIs feel this proposal would benefit from serious changes in the general direction as well.  In essence (there are more details to it), these PIs would love to see this a science-oriented service.

Thanks,
Inigo

I On 7/30/15 9:23 AM, Philip Tarrant wrote: 
Dear colleagues,   The link below is now active for the vote on developing a proposal for discussion with NSF.   https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MWDH555   Please consider the following when voting: 1)     This vote is in support (or not) of the general NIMO model presented during the VTCs last week. 2)     The size and composition of the governance committee is still subject to change and we will continue to collect feedback from IMs and the EB on specifically what this should look like. 3)     The election model is not set in stone, and again we should continue to develop that to ensure we have sensible levels of IM input and representation. 4)     If we get a “Yes” vote, we will devote a large part of our annual meeting on August 30 to developing this model further. So, you still have an important opportunity to contribute to the piece that you find most interesting. Further opportunities will follow, I am sure! In particular, we should focus on the processes for collecting input from both our community and the scientists we serve, as well as planning and prioritization mechanisms.   The link will be active until midnight next Wednesday, August 5 (in reality 8am PDT Thursday, but midnight sounds more dramatic :)), to give everyone time to vote. However, please do make sure you vote as we want a full IMC response.   Thank you for your support and cooperation.   Philip Tarrant
Director, Informatics and Technology | Senior Sustainability Scientist

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