[LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to present
Eric Seabloom
seabloom at umn.edu
Mon Jul 22 11:14:20 PDT 2019
Hi Mary -
Thank you for moving this forward - these types of papers are challenging, at least for me.
I added comments on top of the others. Hopefully these are relevant, as I had to miss the last meeting.
In addition, to my more specific comments, I had a couple general points:
- I felt I needed a clearer vision of the audience. Currently, this feels a bit internally focused on people doing research on biodiversity. Maybe this was just some missing definitions and context (eg IPBES and sustainability). If the audience is more general (which I am guessing is the case), then I have made some comments where more explanations, definitions, and context are probably needed.
- I felt that stating the goal of the paper right up front would be helpful and might also address the target audience.
- I feel like the paragraph starting on line 89 is a key point. It lays out two core challenges: putting feedbacks into current models and putting feedbacks into IPBES. A couple points on this paragraph.
Since one one of our two core challenges deals with a shortcoming of IPBES, it seems this should be set up more strongly with a little background and history. In fact, addressing this IPBES limitation is set up as the primary goal of the paper in the next paragraph. In addition, we are ending up with two sets of challenges now - the two core challenges and the seven grand challenges. Maybe these need a different name or as suggested in other comments they could be combined. Are feedbacks a stand alone grand challenges or are they source the leads to the other 7 challenges.
Thank you again for taking the lead on this paper.
Best,
Eric
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> On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Komatsu, Kimberly <KomatsuK at si.edu> wrote:
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> Hi Mary-
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> Thanks for the extended deadline to get you comments on this. I’ve attached my thoughts on top of Michel, Akira, and Laura’s edits. I really like the challenges section, but think we might need to introduce why feedbacks are so important to consider earlier on in the intro. I also agree with Yann that the beginning could be shortened a bit to get to the main point more quickly. Nice work on this!
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> -Kim
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> From: Bioprod <bioprod-bounces at lists.lternet.edu> On Behalf Of Forest Isbell
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:40 AM
> To: Laura Dee <ledee at umn.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to present
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> I like Laura W's idea of updating this figure. I don’t think IPBES has any arrows between biodiversity and ecosystem functioning, though because biodiversity and ecosystems are both lumped together into a single box called ’Nature’ in the IPBES conceptual framework. The issue, at least as I see it, is that this obscures the dependence of ecosystem functioning and services on biodiversity. There are many other points that we can make, but this seems like an important point to emphasize.
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> Best wishes,
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> Forest
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> On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Laura Dee <ledee at umn.edu> wrote:
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> Dear all,
> I like Laura W's suggested revision to the Figure, and one thing to add - maybe a distinction between what we are proposing versus what is in IPBES is that there is no arrow from EF back to BD in IPBES and "nature and people" versus the full set of feedbacks, in what we propose? Attaching an idea for a modification to Laura's figure to show what I mean, in case it's not clear
>
> Best,
> other Laura
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> On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:21 AM Laura Williams <will3972 at umn.edu> wrote:
> Hi Mary and all,
>
> Thanks! I also enjoyed reading this, and I agree with others' comments. I've added a handful of thoughts in the attached word document (including some thoughts on figures).
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
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> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:12 AM Laura D. <laura.ellen.dee at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mary and all,
> This paper is exciting, and I really enjoyed reading it! I'm attaching my line comments (also with some suggested references as requested) in the pdf on top of Michel's comments. I am also attaching my higher-level comments in this word document. For the venue of the paper, what about Nature Sustainability as a Perspective? My sense is that it might hit the audience we want more than Current Opinions.
>
> I agree that we need more concrete examples in the text. Along those lines, I'm also attaching a paper in press led by Hui Xiao in which we develop a modeling framework to quantify the value of information about feedbacks from ecosystem function-biodiversity-and services for managing ecosystems for multiple conservation objectives (BD and ES). The intro of the paper and the case study application provide some potentially useful examples of such feedbacks (and the extent to which they have been considered in management) that could be helpful for us to cite and flesh out more examples in our paper. Hui's paper should be out soon.
>
> Happy to follow up on any of this and help with more specific revisions to the extent it's helpful.
>
> Best,
> Laura
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:19 PM Jane Cowles <jcowles at umn.edu> wrote:
> Hi Mary et al.,
>
> This paper looks great. It frames the problem well and in a way that doesn’t seem to put down past work but still points out the need for growth in these directions. There is nothing major in the attached doc, but some smaller ideas that may be worth considering!
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> Thanks for all the work you’ve put into this. It is a well written and very useful paper! Let me know how I can help going forward!
>
> Jane
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 4:53 PM Yann Hautier <yannhautier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mary,
>
> Looking great. I do not have big/conceptual issues. My feeling is that some of the text before the outline of the 7 scientific challenges could be shortened without losing the main message. In other words, we could keep the introduction shorter and more straight to the point and present the challenges earlier. I have a few additional comments attached.
>
> Best,
> Yann
>
> From: Bioprod <bioprod-bounces at lists.lternet.edu> On Behalf Of Mary O'Connor
> Sent: vrijdag 28 juni 2019 16:01
> To: bioprod at lternet.edu
> Subject: [LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to present
>
> Hello everyone!
>
> I hope you are well, and off to a great summer. I’m checking with an update of (hopefully) progress on the Agenda paper (attached). This progress is motivated by me giving a talk at a Biodiversity/Climate Change meeting in Switzerland this coming Thursday. Some of us will be there (Michel, Forest, Jane, Andy H…) and the Agenda paper leaders felt this would be a good time to present this to that audience. Many of the attendees will include people actively involved in the recent IPBES reports.
>
> So, two action items for you:
>
> 1. OPTIONAL: FOR THE TALK NEXT THURSDAY JULY 4: If you have time and would like to comment on this before I present the highlights next Thursday, please do! I apologize for the short notice on this, and I also apologize for sending it on a Friday. If you have any major reservations with me presenting any part of this, let me know. I would like to acknowledge everyone in this group as a co-author on this part of my talk, and if you would prefer that I not do that (or not include your name at this stage) let me know. Ideally, before Tuesday July 2nd. If I don’t hear from you I’ll assume it’s ok to present this with you included as a contributor.
>
> 2. FOR THE MANUSCRIPT: Please read and comment on this version of the manuscript. I’d like to know how close this could be to submittable. I expect another round to the group for ‘final’ feedback after this round, but let me know if I’m off base. I’ve attached a PDF here so you can:
> - read and provide general comments on big/conceptual issues at this stage.
> - If you would like to work on text or figures, I would welcome the help and please let me know, I will send a word doc and we can discuss.
> - please help me with references and examples! You all know some part of the literature better than I do! Highlighted refs are ones that I don’t have but were suggested, so please fill those in too.
> - I still (as always) need major help with figures so if you are inspired, please help here!
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> Deadline for comments on this draft: July 12th. This is very negotiable. After that I will revise and send back out, at that would be a time for finessing wording, etc (we don’t all have to do this, but a few helpers here would be great).
>
> Still need to make a final call on where to submit. We’re just over 3000 words now and this seems like a good length to me, but I welcome in put on that too.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Mary
>
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