[LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to present

Thu Aug 29 09:08:51 PDT 2019

Hi Mary and all,
I'm excited to share this new paper out today on "*The value of
understanding feedbacks from ecosystem functions to species for managing
ecosystems*" in Nature Communications, led by UQ PhD student Hui Xiao as
part of thesis. It could provide some useful examples of feedbacks to
highlight in our agenda paper. The modeling framework and dynamic value of
information approach for managers with different risk preferences is
general and can apply quite widely across ecosystem types.

Here's the link and abstract:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11890-7.epdf?author_access_token=EA27wVpgsl3VGfdXVgXqk9RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PZgkfDdw7EUx_TgH5Ei2ZraaMTJXOYCTaizW0OkqXwK9v7fnZFZpFAXji8TrqG8HIGXZAKaKtfeGDhcWXVkQq2eDQg4FSCcXGgyUkQgWF5FQ%3D%3D

*Abstract:*
Ecological systems are made up of complex and often unknown interactions
and feedbacks.Uncovering these interactions and feedbacks among species,
ecosystem functions, and ecosystem services is challenging, costly, and
time-consuming. Here, we ask: for which ecosystem features does resolving
the uncertainty about the feedbacks from ecosystem function to species
improve management outcomes? We develop a dynamic value of information
analysis for risk-neutral and risk-prone managers on motif ecosystems and
explore the influence of five ecological features. We find that learning
the feedbacks from ecosystem function to species does not improve
management outcomes for maximising biodiversity, yet learning which species
benefit from an ecosystem function improves management outcomes for
ecosystem services by up to 25% for risk-neutral managers and 231%for
risk-prone managers. Our general approach provides useful guidance for
managers and researchers on when learning feedbacks from ecosystem function
to species can improve management outcomes for multiple conservation
objectives.

Best,
Laura

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:16 PM Eric Seabloom <seabloom at umn.edu> wrote:

> Hi Mary -
>
> Thank you for moving this forward - these types of papers are challenging,
> at least for me.
> I added comments on top of the others. Hopefully these are relevant, as I
> had to miss the last meeting.
>
> In addition, to my more specific comments, I had a couple general points:
> - I felt I needed a clearer vision of the audience. Currently, this feels
> a bit internally focused on people doing research on biodiversity. Maybe
> this was just some missing definitions and context (eg IPBES and
> sustainability). If the audience is more general (which I am guessing is
> the case), then I have made some comments where more explanations,
> definitions, and context are probably needed.
> - I felt that stating the goal of the paper right up front would be
> helpful and might also address the target audience.
> - I feel like the paragraph starting on line 89 is a key point. It lays
> out two core challenges: putting feedbacks into current models and putting
> feedbacks into IPBES. A couple points on this paragraph.
> Since one one of our two core challenges deals with a shortcoming of
> IPBES, it seems this should be set up more strongly with a little
> background and history. In fact, addressing this IPBES limitation is set up
> as the primary goal of the paper in the next paragraph. In addition, we are
> ending up with two sets of challenges now - the two core challenges and the
> seven grand challenges. Maybe these need a different name or as suggested
> in other comments they could be combined. Are feedbacks a stand alone grand
> challenges or are they source the leads to the other 7 challenges.
>
> Thank you again for taking the lead on this paper.
>
> Best,
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:42 PM, Komatsu, Kimberly <KomatsuK at si.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mary-
> >
> > Thanks for the extended deadline to get you comments on this.  I’ve
> attached my thoughts on top of Michel, Akira, and Laura’s edits.  I really
> like the challenges section, but think we might need to introduce why
> feedbacks are so important to consider earlier on in the intro.  I also
> agree with Yann that the beginning could be shortened a bit to get to the
> main point more quickly.  Nice work on this!
> >
> > -Kim
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Kimberly J (La Pierre) Komatsu
> > Senior Scientist
> > Smithsonian Environmental Research Center
> > 647 Contees Wharf Road
> > Edgewater, MD 21037
> > 443-482-2218
> > komatsuk at si.edu
> >
> > From: Bioprod <bioprod-bounces at lists.lternet.edu> On Behalf Of Forest
> Isbell
> > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:40 AM
> > To: Laura Dee <ledee at umn.edu>
> > Cc: bioprod at lternet.edu
> > Subject: Re: [LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to
> present
> >
> > I like Laura W's idea of updating this figure. I don’t think IPBES has
> any arrows between biodiversity and ecosystem functioning, though because
> biodiversity and ecosystems are both lumped together into a single box
> called ’Nature’ in the IPBES conceptual framework. The issue, at least as I
> see it, is that this obscures the dependence of ecosystem functioning and
> services on biodiversity. There are many other points that we can make, but
> this seems like an important point to emphasize.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Forest
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 10, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Laura Dee <ledee at umn.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > I like Laura W's suggested revision to the Figure, and one thing to add
> - maybe a distinction between what we are proposing versus what is in IPBES
> is that there is no arrow from EF back to BD in IPBES and "nature and
> people" versus the full set of feedbacks, in what we propose? Attaching an
> idea for a modification to Laura's figure to show what I mean, in case it's
> not clear
> >
> > Best,
> > other Laura
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 9:21 AM Laura Williams <will3972 at umn.edu> wrote:
> > Hi Mary and all,
> >
> > Thanks! I also enjoyed reading this, and I agree with others' comments.
> I've added a handful of thoughts in the attached word document (including
> some thoughts on figures).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Laura
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:12 AM Laura D. <laura.ellen.dee at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Mary and all,
> > This paper is exciting, and I really enjoyed reading it! I'm attaching
> my line comments (also with some suggested references as requested) in the
> pdf on top of Michel's comments. I am also attaching my higher-level
> comments in this word document. For the venue of the paper, what about
> Nature Sustainability as a Perspective? My sense is that it might hit the
> audience we want more than Current Opinions.
> >
> > I agree that we need more concrete examples in the text. Along those
> lines, I'm also attaching a paper in press led by Hui Xiao in which we
> develop a modeling framework to quantify the value of information about
> feedbacks from ecosystem function-biodiversity-and services for managing
> ecosystems for multiple conservation objectives (BD and ES). The intro of
> the paper and the case study application provide some potentially useful
> examples of such feedbacks (and the extent to which they have been
> considered in management) that could be helpful for us to cite and flesh
> out more examples in our paper. Hui's paper should be out soon.
> >
> > Happy to follow up on any of this and help with more specific revisions
> to the extent it's helpful.
> >
> > Best,
> > Laura
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 1:19 PM Jane Cowles <jcowles at umn.edu> wrote:
> > Hi Mary et al.,
> >
> > This paper looks great. It frames the problem well and in a way that
> doesn’t seem to put down past work but still points out the need for growth
> in these directions. There is nothing major in the attached doc, but some
> smaller ideas that may be worth considering!
> >
> > Thanks for all the work you’ve put into this. It is a well written and
> very useful paper! Let me know how I can help going forward!
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 4:53 PM Yann Hautier <yannhautier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> > Looking great. I do not have big/conceptual issues. My feeling is that
> some of the text before the outline of the 7 scientific challenges could be
> shortened without losing the main message. In other words, we could keep
> the introduction shorter and more straight to the point and present the
> challenges earlier. I have a few additional comments attached.
> >
> > Best,
> > Yann
> >
> > From: Bioprod <bioprod-bounces at lists.lternet.edu> On Behalf Of Mary
> O'Connor
> > Sent: vrijdag 28 juni 2019 16:01
> > To: bioprod at lternet.edu
> > Subject: [LTER-BioProd] Agenda paper: new draft, and request to present
> >
> > Hello everyone!
> >
> > I hope you are well, and off to a great summer. I’m checking with an
> update of (hopefully) progress on the Agenda paper (attached). This
> progress is motivated by me giving a talk at a Biodiversity/Climate Change
> meeting in Switzerland this coming Thursday. Some of us will be there
> (Michel, Forest, Jane, Andy H…) and the Agenda paper leaders felt this
> would be a good time to present this to that audience. Many of the
> attendees will include people actively involved in the recent IPBES
> reports.
> >
> > So, two action items for you:
> >
> > 1. OPTIONAL: FOR THE TALK NEXT THURSDAY JULY 4: If you have time and
> would like to comment on this before I present the highlights next
> Thursday, please do! I apologize for the short notice on this, and I also
> apologize for sending it on a Friday. If you have any major reservations
> with me presenting any part of this, let me know. I would like to
> acknowledge everyone in this group as a co-author on this part of my talk,
> and if you would prefer that I not do that (or not include your name at
> this stage) let me know. Ideally, before Tuesday July 2nd. If I don’t hear
> from you I’ll assume it’s ok to present this with you included as a
> contributor.
> >
> > 2. FOR THE MANUSCRIPT: Please read and comment on this version of the
> manuscript. I’d like to know how close this could be to submittable. I
> expect another round to the group for ‘final’ feedback after this round,
> but let me know if I’m off base. I’ve attached a PDF here so you can:
> > - read and provide general comments on big/conceptual issues at this
> stage.
> > - If you would like to work on text or figures, I would welcome the help
> and please let me know, I will send a word doc and we can discuss.
> > - please help me with references and examples! You all know some part of
> the literature better than I do! Highlighted refs are ones that I don’t
> have but were suggested, so please fill those in too.
> > - I still (as always) need major help with figures so if you are
> inspired, please help here!
> >
> > Deadline for comments on this draft: July 12th. This is very negotiable.
> After that I will revise and send back out, at that would be a time for
> finessing wording, etc (we don’t all have to do this, but a few helpers
> here would be great).
> >
> > Still need to make a final call on where to submit. We’re just over 3000
> words now and this seems like a good length to me, but I welcome in put on
> that too.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Mary
> >
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