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This guy is really pushy. Here's a draft (not sending until
tomorrow) of my response to him in case you want to follow the saga.
I'd also like input since he's now involved Paul. This is much more
wordy than my initial idea for a response which just involved a few
colorful words...<br>
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<td>Re: Collaboration on Lake Fryxell and Bonney</td>
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<td>Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:17:40 -0600</td>
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<td>Peter Doran <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pdoran@lsu.edu"><pdoran@lsu.edu></a></td>
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<td>Huang, Yongsong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:yongsong_huang@brown.edu"><yongsong_huang@brown.edu></a></td>
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<td>Cutler, Paul M <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pcutler@nsf.gov"><pcutler@nsf.gov></a></td>
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Hi Huang,<br>
<br>
As I said, I'm always open to collaboration, but I am also trying to
keep a promise to a young career scientist to collaborate with him
on similar work. But having just talked to Guangsheng, we can try to
do complimentary work and more process type stuff. He is quite
confident in his ability to do the alkenone paleothermometry work
after his two year Postdoc at Yale with Mark Pagani who he still
collaborates with. So we will work in parallel once his lab is
established in a month or so.<br>
<br>
More to the point though is the complete unknown state of the
sediment "archive". I really have no idea what is left. It's been a
long time since I laid eyes on any of these samples and there's been
a move across the country in the mean time, a few freezer failures
and some cleaning house during the move (NSF does not have rules on
archiving samples, but also sometimes the reality of long term
sample storage with no budget for it, is not a good reality). I'll
have to get someone to check on what we have. The Bonney sediment
cores were not really sediment cores at all, but dirty salt cores. I
know we do not have anything from West Lobe Bonney and East Lobe
Bonney is probably scarce and patchy since we had to use a lot of it
to do the analysis we have already done. There is also no real
chronological control on those sediments - my guess is they are a
few thousand years old at best (and that's what we published in
Wagner et al. 2010) so do not meet your needs. Fryxell holds the
most promise and we will check on those sediments, but I can give no
promises that we still have samples spanning the full record. Plus,
even with Fryxell, with the radiocarbon reservoir issues, I view the
chronology with a grain of salt. <br>
<br>
All the best<br>
-Peter<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Peter T. Doran
Professor and John Franks Chair
Geology and Geophysics
Louisiana State University
E235 Howe Russell Geosciences Complex, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
office 2255783955 | fax 2255782302
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lsu.edu/science/geology/">www.lsu.edu/science/geology/</a></pre>
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On 3/10/16 2:25 PM, Huang, Yongsong wrote:
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAHO_LY8q6hC-e0T4EYpQfvB=_-WdJY37j7A+fgf--VBiRxQ4Eg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Dear Peter:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I had a nice conversation with Paul this morning. He told
me about his recent contact with you regarding our sample
requests for Lake Fryxell. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As I mentioned repeatedly, I am very interested in
collaborating with you on Fryxell and Bonney, and we have been
working on generating preliminary data from the lakes. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul assured me that it is NSF policy that samples
sponsored by federal grants should be utilized to the maximum
to get new science discoveries. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>To test a set of novel alkenone based proxies that we
discovered, Lake Fryxell core sediments provide irreplaceable
opportunities for our investigation. We need ~ a dozen samples
that go through the glacial to interglacial periods. Your
existing samples as you mentioned are just fine for our
purpose. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We will be happy to have you as a co-author on our papers
from these samples. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yongsong</div>
<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Huang,
Yongsong <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:yongsong_huang@brown.edu" target="_blank">yongsong_huang@brown.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
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padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">Peter:
<div><br>
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<div>I also do have a specific scientific reason to use
the sediment cores from Fryxell and Bonney for
calibration a new alkenone based proxy we discovered. No
other lakes have the special features like Fryxell and
Bonney that meet our need. We do not need super clear
history for the sediments, all we need is that they span
the long history for the past 40,000 years. A dozen
samples from different stratigraphic horizons will meet
our needs. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Storage in freezer will not affect our analyses at
all. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It will be great if we talk on the phone. I think
collaboration will be mutually beneficial. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
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<div>Yongsong</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Mar 9,
2016 at 6:02 PM, Peter Doran <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pdoran@lsu.edu" target="_blank">pdoran@lsu.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Hi
Yongsong,<br>
<br>
Sorry for the delay in replying. It's been a
very very busy period and your email got buried
deep. I had intended to reply. I also had to do
a search for Nora's email. I missed that one all
together I'm afraid.<br>
<br>
We collected sediment cores over 10 years ago
which have been heavily used for analysis in
published papers. What's left of the cores have
been in a freezer with a questionable history
for a very long time. The Jaraula work you are
probably familiar with was done under the
supervision of her adviser at UIC, Fabien Kenig.
They worked from box cores of the surface mats
and I think he still has some of that, but not
sure.<br>
<br>
We have a new young faculty here who discussed
with me doing alkenone and paleothermometry work
well over a year ago when first interviewing. He
is still building his lab which apparently he is
almost finished (if you are ever finished
building a lab). We have not yet gotten to the
point of assessing what the quality of my
samples are after so long. I'm obviously
interested in supporting a young faculty in my
own department as a priority. I'm also open to
other collaborations if they are complimentary
to our efforts. The new faculty is Guangsheng
Zhuang, and I'm sure he would be too. I will
talk to him about this. I hope this helps.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
-Peter<br>
<pre cols="72">Peter T. Doran
Professor and John Franks Chair
Geology and Geophysics
Louisiana State University
E235 Howe Russell Geosciences Complex, Baton Rouge, LA 70803
office <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:2255783955" value="+12255783955" target="_blank">2255783955</a> | fax <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:2255782302" value="+12255782302" target="_blank">2255782302</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lsu.edu/science/geology/" target="_blank">www.lsu.edu/science/geology/</a></pre>
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On 2/24/16 10:11 AM, Huang, Yongsong wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Peter:
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My graduate student Nora Richter
contacted you a while ago about the
collaborations on Lake Fryxell and
Bonney. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would like to provide some
background about my research group and
why we are so interested in Dry Valley
lakes. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My research group has been very
active in studying cold norther
hemisphere lakes including those from
Greenland, Arctic Alaska and Tibetan
Plateau. Here is the abstract for my
NSF Alaska grant: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1503846&HistoricalAwards=false"
style="font-size: 12.8px;"
target="_blank">https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=1503846&HistoricalAwards=false</a><span
style="font-size: 12.8px;">.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12.8px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12.8px;">We
have been actively publishing
alkenones in lakes for the past
decade and I would not be ashamed to
say, currently, my group is the best
in the world in terms of our
understanding of lacustrine
alkenones and their application for
paleoclimate and paleoecological
applications. We also developed
major technical expertise on
studying these compounds and have
ability to unambiguously identify
alkenone double bond positions -
there were major problems with old
methodologies and hence many papers
publish only tentative
identification of double bond
positions (such as Caroline Jaraula
paper in organic geochemistry on
tentative identification of penta
unsaturated alkenones). I also work
with Linda Amaral at Marine
Biological Lab closely (she is
expert on DNA sequencing, and has
state of the art facilities). My lab
is a full scale organic geochemistry
lab with all gas and liquid
chromatography and mass spectrometry
and isotope ratio mass spectrometry
(I have four mass spectrometers):
few organic geochemistry labs in the
U.S. have the scale of analytical
capability as in my lab. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12.8px;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: 12.8px;">Here
is our in press paper on lake
alkenones: </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703716300576"
style="font-size: 12.8px;"
target="_blank">http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0016703716300576</a>.
We will publish a cluster of papers
this year since we have made major
multiple breakthrough discoveries in
the area. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you are interested, you can find
my full paper list in my google
citation page: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=xel8cGsAAAAJ&hl=en"
style="font-size: 12.8px;"
target="_blank">https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=xel8cGsAAAAJ&hl=en</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sorry these may look like I am
bragging. However, it has been really
difficult to convince experts like you
on Antarctic lakes that we can really
contribute to the science in ways no
other research group can. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We have already carried out initial
work on Lake Fryxell and Lake Bonney
sediment and water column samples, and
found fascinating new things - we can
publish a paper, even just based on
our data now. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will be really keen to talk to
you on the phone. I really would like
to work on sediment cores from Fryxell
and Bonney, and can assure you we will
make major new discoveries in
collaboration with you. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks a lot,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yongsong</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Yongsong Huang<br>
Professor<br>
Department of Earth, Environmental
and Planetary Sciences<br>
Brown University<br>
Providence , Rhode Island 02912<br>
U.S.A.<br>
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Tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:401-863-3822"
value="+14018633822"
target="_blank">401-863-3822</a><br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Yongsong_Huang@brown.edu" target="_blank">Yongsong_Huang@brown.edu</a><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Yongsong Huang<br>
Professor<br>
Department of Earth, Environmental and Planetary
Sciences<br>
Brown University<br>
Providence , Rhode Island 02912<br>
U.S.A.<br>
<br>
Tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:401-863-3822" value="+14018633822"
target="_blank">401-863-3822</a><br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">Yongsong_Huang@brown.edu</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Dr. Yongsong Huang<br>
Professor<br>
Department of Earth, Environmental and Planetary Sciences<br>
Brown University<br>
Providence , Rhode Island 02912<br>
U.S.A.<br>
<br>
Tel: 401-863-3822<br>
Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Yongsong_Huang@brown.edu" target="_blank">Yongsong_Huang@brown.edu</a><br>
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