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Corinna and all,<br>
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I discussed the issue with our site exec and they are also in favor
of CC-BY, and we will be implementing that policy in GCE metadata.<br>
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I think defaulting to CC-0 with the proposed general statement of
expectations is acceptable if no rights are explicitly stated, but
only if contributors are made aware of this practice before
submitting metadata/data.<br>
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However, I would ultimately like to see NSF step in and help us
interpret the disparate policy guidance from DEB, OCE and POL. For
example, when the allowed embargo period is over, do the original
investigators really have any say over how the data are used, or are
they public domain? That would certainly be in the spirit of the
open science initiatives Federal agencies are expected to operate
under. Also in other communities like genetics/genomics there are no
rights once data are archived. So this lack of clarity is the reason
we keep coming back to these policy discussions and can never put
the issue behind us. Considering the broad implications for software
development and repositories, I really think this should be nailed
down once and for all. Just wishful thinking, though.<br>
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Wade<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/2017 9:39 AM, Jonathan Walsh
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<div>Hi Corinna,<br>
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<div>PIE is going to adopt the CC-BY for intellectual
rights as it has an attribution feature that expects
data users to cite authors of the data.</div>
<div>CC-0 seems appropriate for data in the Data
Portal if it has no intellectual rights stated.</div>
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<div>A next step would be what the recommended
citation should be and what elements from EML should
be used to populate the citation in the Data Portal.</div>
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<div>As an aside, going forward it will interesting to
see how familiar reviewers and editors of journals
become with data citations and whether the
appropriate data citation has been used. Currently
reviewers are mostly familiar with journal article
citations and may comment about whether a
citation/reference is more or less appropriate for
the subject matter at hand. Will there be an
increased burden on reviewers and editors to have as
much familiarity with data citations and their
accuracy and interpretation?</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
<div>Hap</div>
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</b>"Corinna Gries" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgries@wisc.edu" target="_blank">cgries@wisc.edu</a>><br>
<b>To: </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, April 7, 2017 5:18:19 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [LTER-im] LTER Data Access Policy
Request for Comments
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Hi
all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks
to those who have commented already, this is
just a quick reminder that the deadline is
coming up. This will be discussed at the
next EB meeting at the end of April.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thanks</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">EDI
and NCO</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Corinna Gries <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 07, 2017
2:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:im@lternet.edu"
target="_blank">im@lternet.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> LTER Data Access Policy
Request for Comments</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To work through issues that
may require some changes to LTER data
management practices we would like to employ a
process of requesting comments from all of
you.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are starting with the
LTER Data Access Policy. Background, reasons
for changing it, and recommendations are
outlined in the attached document. Please
either discuss on this list, send your
comments, concerns, questions to IMexec or
directly to Corinna <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgries@wisc.edu"
target="_blank">cgries@wisc.edu</a> before
April 15<sup>th</sup>. If there is enough time
this discussion will also be part of the
agenda for the next Water Cooler.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We will collate all of the
comments and formulate recommendations based
on those comments to send to the EB before the
Science Council meeting in May.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The same request for
comments will go out the LTERexec mailing
list. Please discuss with your PIs.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">EDI and NCO</p>
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