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Thanks for sharing this document.<br>
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I am unsure why I was not invited to this workshop. I am looking
at my emails, and I see no invite. Perhaps my fault, sorry if I
missed the invite. It would have been a great opportunity to
explain our actual efforts and plans for the next evolution of
DEIMS (on a shoestring). <br>
<br>
I am reading and re-reading the document Corinna enclosed. I am
looking for something new. I was secretly hoping that there would
be a new idea, or at least something that has not be beaten to
death in the last ten years. I must said with sadness, that I do
not see anything to such effect. I see brilliant people in the
attendee list, and I fail to understand why are we unable to
produce an outcome that we have not seeing or promised before.<br>
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Inexplicably, I really do not see anything specific that address
the "key outcomes" outlined here :<br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">A drafted vision for increased
integration in environmental research data
management
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">A prototype process defining the format
of collaboration (e.g. ESIP working groups, RCN,
formal
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">consortium) efforts
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">Prototyped funding concepts for
sustainable data management, i.e. how do we move
beyond the
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">An actionable project to examine how
environmental information management can expand to
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
'TwCenMT'">include smaller projects, which are
currently not well served
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<p><span style="font-size: 12.000000pt; font-family:
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areas
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What I see instead is three things. All things we know and we
discussed in the past.<br>
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- We lack funding, yet, we met to just say that among people that
cannot do much about it. NSF's officers have their hands tied,
and it would seem our government cannot allocate enough resources
either. I will not discuss how our funds are being put to use, as
it would not be a kind expression.<br>
<br>
Referals to a survey, but it lacks basic data -- who responded to
this survey? How many people, what methodology, what attempts have
been made to actually reach out a wide constituency?.<br>
<br>
I do not understand the inclusion of unspecific technologies such
as "Open Source DBs, Commercial DBs". No mention of what databases
are appropriate for which thing. I for one, wouldlike to hear of
summaries of cases where a group has used CouchDB or MongoDB for
big binary collections, or backend of Drupal (well, I seen some of
those). It would have been refreshing to hear about Oracle NoSQL
ACID compliant cases. It would be great to learn from experiences
where decoupled technologies manage to communicate and produce
through the use of standardize APIs. The rest of things listed in
the histogram are just as eclectic as to draw any comparatives ( R
and metadata tools, or "Version control" and "java"). Interesting
exercise - but I do not get the point. I am unsure why
"Javascript", is this a catch all for BackBoneJS, NodeJS,
AngularJS.. here is a partial list of 29 packaged frameworks of
Javascript in <a
href="--%20,,Inigo%20San%20Gil,+1%20505%20277%202625,http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=foIppL4AAAAJ&hl=en">Wiki.</a>
Far from complete, but point being, is "Javascript"??? <br>
<br>
Which leads me to the reports presentation of the discussed
metadata standards (it really mean specifications)<br>
<br>
There is a list of specifications but the motivation for it is not
included, nor is any distilled knowledge about results of seeing
such list. Still such result-set list things that have known
limited impact plus a couple of items of questionable relevance,
such as the PRISM inititiative, (publishing oriented), <a
href="http://www.idealliance.org/specifications/prism-metadata-initiative">see
for yourself,</a> (do not mistake for the <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%29">massive
surveillance</a> program we enjoy - details classified ). <br>
<br>
Interestingly, the <a
href="http://databits.lternet.edu/fall-2014/google-bing-yahoo-and-your-metadata">Schema.org</a>
initiative is not even mentioned, even though it is perhaps a
new-ish relevant effort worth watching by anyone who is curious to
understand the mentioned "
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Unicorn chasing “why can’t we match Google?”", (comment you chose
to highlight in this report).<br>
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In essence, I suppose I unexpectedly missed this meeting (and
previous of this EAGER). It would be great to add some great
ideas to our realistic vision. We break with the past and present
failures, and we based our work on sound principles and existing,
future oriented and well supported open-source technologies. <br>
<br>
It would be great to see some of that to enrich our those are not
included in this report. Undoubtedly, the intentions are there,
but either they seem elusive to the scope of this report. If you
can please add anything to that effect, I would appreciate. I
specially say so as I am engaged actively in the next iteration of
data management systems including existing funded initiatives
internationally. Sadly, these efforts may come outside of the NSF
supported activities. I personally find increasingly difficult to
take care of the bare basics. <br>
<br>
Thanks for the impressive effort and pretty graphics. <br>
<br>
Happy Thanksgivings to you all!<br>
<br>
Inigo<br>
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On 11/24/15 9:23 AM, Corinna Gries wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to update you on the
activities that are going on funded through the EAGER grant
Margaret, Phil and myself received earlier this year. You may
remember that we planned this during our 2014 IM meeting in
Colorado. Originally the proposal was geared towards
conceptualizing LTER information management based on the
discussions we had in 2014. After submitting the proposal we
were asked by NSF to broaden the scope to include ‘all’
environmental data repositories and other projects involved in
this area. The first workshop ‘Collaborative strategies for
sustained environmental data management’ was held last week in
Tempe, AZ and most of you LTER IMs, who had self-identified an
interested in participating were able to make it plus a wide
range of people from other projects.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Phil and Ann Chiu (hired as workshop
coordinator) have done a great job putting together some
pre-workshop informational material which I am attaching to
this e-mail for your perusal.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The first follow-up activity will be to
initiate a new cluster within ESIP, which will give us their
collaboration support with a wiki, mailing list, face to face
meetings, and online meetings for a broad group of interested
parties. The discussion started at the workshop will be
continued there and at the ESIP winter meeting (<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://commons.esipfed.org/2016WinterMeeting"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://commons.esipfed.org/2016WinterMeeting">http://commons.esipfed.org/2016WinterMeeting</a></a>).
ESIP meetings provide remote access to most sessions for
anyone interested and we can support one IM from LTER to go
and participate in person. Please let me know a.s.a.p. if you
would like to participate for LTER IM and feel that you have a
good overview of the current broader environmental information
management landscape and ideas of where we should go. The
pertinent sessions may be a bit ad-hoc since this all came
about pretty late to be properly integrated with the upcoming
winter meeting, but Erin Robinson was very accommodating. More
workshops will follow, probably in the context of ESIP
meetings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please stay tuned for the ESIP cluster
where we will post all workshop materials. (BTW, we are still
searching for a catchy name for the cluster, if you have any
ideas, please let us know.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to thank Phil, the local host
arranging for hotels and meeting rooms, which all worked out
beautifully, and the design team overall: Margaret, Phil, Ann,
and our facilitator Glyn Thomas for a lot of hard work
designing and running the workshop. We still have a long way
to go in the process of conceptualizing sustainable
environmental information management and we hope many of you
will be involved in follow-up activities. The outcome of this
exercise will certainly influence how we do IM in LTER in a
few years.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Corinna<o:p></o:p></p>
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