<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73956"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959">I agree with Ken.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73960"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73964"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959">After talking to Margaret, I decided to vote Yes with a note making it clear that I say Yes to being us who develop a model but ABSTAIN to vote for or against any model that do not go through a thorough scrutiny by the IMC.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74257" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74315" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959">I hope that IMEXEC accepts this kind of compromise.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74318" dir="ltr"><br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74317" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73959">EDA</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73954"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73952"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_73951">Eda C. Melendez Colom
<br>Information Manager
<br>LTER Program
<br>University of Puerto Rico
<br>Tel. (787) 764-0000 (1-4943)
<br>Fax (787) 772 -1481</div></div><br> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74254" style="font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74253" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74252" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1438274390017_74251" size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ken Ramsey <kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Dan Bahauddin <danbaha@umn.edu> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> im-rep@lists.lternet.edu <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 30, 2015 3:34 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [LTER-im-rep] Vote to move forward with IM data managementexercise<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Hi Dan,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">As you describe, I have been in contact with my lead PI about this<br clear="none">model and these discussions. She feels strongly that the data center be<br clear="none">science driven and that the governance (prioritization, not day to day<br clear="none">operations) be more equal between IMs and PIs. In my involvement with<br clear="none">this planning effort, I hear exactly the opposite. That scientists<br clear="none">should not be in control. If this cannot be discussed by all, then what<br clear="none">are we agreeing to. Just that we proceed with no recourse if my lead PIs<br clear="none">concerns are continually brushed aside.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I think there should be another vote that decides whether we proceed or<br clear="none">not once we have the final plan.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ken<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------------------------------<br clear="none">Ken Ramsey<br clear="none">Data Manager<br clear="none">Jornada LTER Project<br clear="none">New Mexico State University<br clear="none">2995 Knox Street, suite 200<br clear="none">Box 30003, MSC 3JER<br clear="none">Las Cruces, NM 88003<br clear="none">(575)646-7918 (office)<br clear="none">(575)646-5889 (fax)<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu" href="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu">kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu</a><br clear="none">-------------------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt1879527514" id="yqtfd09814"><br clear="none">>>> Dan Bahauddin <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:danbaha@umn.edu" href="mailto:danbaha@umn.edu">danbaha@umn.edu</a>> 2015-07-30 01:21 PM >>><br clear="none">Hi Ken,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I would say I feel is our duty as IM's to work with our own site<br clear="none">leadership<br clear="none">to decide a) how we as IM's represent our sites within this community.<br clear="none">Presumably, we are discussing these issues at our sites, and are<br clear="none">voting<br clear="none">accordingly.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Further, I believe we were asked by Saran if we, the IMC, felt we<br clear="none">could<br clear="none">take on these tasks. Answering her question does not mean we are<br clear="none">saying we<br clear="none">"must control all development".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">--<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Dan Bahauddin*Information Manager<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Cedar Creek Ecosystem Science Reserve<br clear="none">2660 Fawn Lake Dr. NE<br clear="none">East Bethel, MN 55005<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Office: 612-301-2603<br clear="none">Fax: 612-301-2626*<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Ken Ramsey<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu" href="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu">kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu</a>><br clear="none">wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Hi Gastil,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> You make good points. However, I do not understand the irrational<br clear="none">fear<br clear="none">> that the data center be science driven and why we do not get our<br clear="none">site<br clear="none">> lead PIs input into the governance model (not the entire plan).<br clear="none">After<br clear="none">> all, this is a ecological science network. The data center needs to<br clear="none">> develop tools for accessing and using data that our scientists want<br clear="none">and<br clear="none">> need. We should not leave the impression that we must control all<br clear="none">> development.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Why can't we have a vote that includes our lead PIs?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Ken<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> -------------------------------<br clear="none">> Ken Ramsey<br clear="none">> Data Manager<br clear="none">> Jornada LTER Project<br clear="none">> New Mexico State University<br clear="none">> 2995 Knox Street, suite 200<br clear="none">> Box 30003, MSC 3JER<br clear="none">> Las Cruces, NM 88003<br clear="none">> (575)646-7918 (office)<br clear="none">> (575)646-5889 (fax)<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu" href="mailto:kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu">kramsey@jornada-vmail.nmsu.edu</a> <br clear="none">> -------------------------------<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> >>> Gastil Gastil-Buhl <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gastil.gastil-buhl@ucsb.edu" href="mailto:gastil.gastil-buhl@ucsb.edu">gastil.gastil-buhl@ucsb.edu</a>> 2015-07-30<br clear="none">01:03<br clear="none">> PM >>><br clear="none">> Hi fellow IMs,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Of course caution is wise and no IM is going to stick their head in<br clear="none">> the<br clear="none">> sand. We want to go into this with our eyes open. There remains much<br clear="none">> work<br clear="none">> to be done to define the proposal and once awarded to finalize the<br clear="none">> cooperative agreement. But here is how I see this vote at this<br clear="none">stage:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> This is a fork in the river. We have not seen the end of either way.<br clear="none">If<br clear="none">> we<br clear="none">> take this into our own hands, at least we will be the ones driving<br clear="none">and<br clear="none">> navigating, not just adrift in the current or tugged. In IM there<br clear="none">will<br clear="none">> always be unforeseen challenges and more worthy projects than<br clear="none">> resources.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> To me, a YES vote is one of confidence that within our IM community<br clear="none">> there<br clear="none">> does exist the skill and wisdom to respond to the inevitable rough<br clear="none">> water<br clear="none">> ahead. A vote of NO invites competitive proposals by institutions<br clear="none">> which<br clear="none">> likely do have some connection to LTER and IM, but cannot be as<br clear="none">> inherently<br clear="none">> egalitarian, unifying and cooperative as the IMC as a whole. And<br clear="none">those<br clear="none">> proposals we of course know even less about. So a NO to NIMO means a<br clear="none">> YES to<br clear="none">> an even more unknown proposal.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> - Gastil<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Inigo San Gil<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:isangil@lternet.edu" href="mailto:isangil@lternet.edu">isangil@lternet.edu</a>><br clear="none">> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Hi,<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > I do not think I have enough time to revise the last additions to<br clear="none">the<br clear="none">> work<br clear="none">> > to vote confidently.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > As I remember the work, the way is presented has a main focus on<br clear="none">> > continuity. I would like to see a more exciting proposal that<br clear="none">> includes the<br clear="none">> > opinions of the community we work for. This is just a handful of<br clear="none">us<br clear="none">> > chiming some, and well, judging by what I hear, not so fresh<br clear="none">ideas.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Therefore, I think asking for a vote is a bit premature. We could<br clear="none">> get a<br clear="none">> > better proposal out there, at least, we can get something out I<br clear="none">can<br clear="none">> defend<br clear="none">> > vehemently, as it is (or as I remember it), not so much.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Can you push the vote down to the ASM or at least towards the 3rd<br clear="none">> week of<br clear="none">> > August ?<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Some more notes - please pay attention:<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Also, I missed the 'last week VTC' - the bad practice of not<br clear="none">> announcing<br clear="none">> > the date and time and links is really hurting my schedule. I have<br clear="none">> many<br clear="none">> > more things in my plate, like many of us. It is quite simple, and<br clear="none">I<br clear="none">> told<br clear="none">> > the group several times to include a date and a time and a link at<br clear="none">> least<br clear="none">> > (it is simple metadata, EML not needed).<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > There is no mention that a majority "Yes" vote would also mean<br clear="none">that<br clear="none">> you<br clear="none">> > will tell Saran that we (IMs) are behind this proposed model, and<br clear="none">> pave<br clear="none">> > forward to what would be the LNO Data Center for the next few<br clear="none">years.<br clear="none">> I<br clear="none">> > think this should be noted in the list below.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > There is no mention what a "No" vote would imply. Encourage Saran<br clear="none">to<br clear="none">> let<br clear="none">> > a competitive process to ensue? Please elaborate.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > By reading the reactions of my PIs to the PPTx and PDF that was<br clear="none">> circulated<br clear="none">> > at EB, I can tell you my PIs feel this proposal would benefit from<br clear="none">> serious<br clear="none">> > changes in the general direction as well. In essence (there are<br clear="none">> more<br clear="none">> > details to it), these PIs would love to see this a<br clear="none">science-oriented<br clear="none">> service.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Thanks,<br clear="none">> > Inigo<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > I On 7/30/15 9:23 AM, Philip Tarrant wrote:<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Dear colleagues,<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > The link below is now active for the vote on developing a proposal<br clear="none">> for<br clear="none">> > discussion with NSF.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > <a shape="rect" href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MWDH555" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MWDH555 </a><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Please consider the following when voting:<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > 1) This vote is in support (or not) of the general NIMO model<br clear="none">> > presented during the VTCs last week.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > 2) The size and composition of the governance committee is<br clear="none">> still<br clear="none">> > subject to change and we will continue to collect feedback from<br clear="none">IMs<br clear="none">> and the<br clear="none">> > EB on specifically what this should look like.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > 3) The election model is not set in stone, and again we<br clear="none">should<br clear="none">> > continue to develop that to ensure we have sensible levels of IM<br clear="none">> input and<br clear="none">> > representation.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > 4) If we get a “Yes” vote, we will devote a large part of<br clear="none">> our annual<br clear="none">> > meeting on August 30 to developing this model further. So, you<br clear="none">still<br clear="none">> have<br clear="none">> > an important opportunity to contribute to the piece that you find<br clear="none">> most<br clear="none">> > interesting. Further opportunities will follow, I am sure! In<br clear="none">> particular,<br clear="none">> > we should focus on the processes for collecting input from both<br clear="none">our<br clear="none">> > community and the scientists we serve, as well as planning and<br clear="none">> > prioritization mechanisms.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > The link will be active until midnight next Wednesday, August 5<br clear="none">(in<br clear="none">> > reality 8am PDT Thursday, but midnight sounds more dramatic :)),<br clear="none">to<br clear="none">> give<br clear="none">> > everyone time to vote. However, please do make sure you vote as we<br clear="none">> want a<br clear="none">> > full IMC response.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Thank you for your support and cooperation.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > *Philip Tarrant*<br clear="none">> > *Director, Informatics and Technology | Senior Sustainability<br clear="none">> Scientist*<br clear="none">> > [image:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://sustainability.asu.edu/docs/gios/signature/images/logo.jpg" target="_blank">http://sustainability.asu.edu/docs/gios/signature/images/logo.jpg</a>]<br clear="none">> > P.O. 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